tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3413566938078526403.post9174083633490863570..comments2023-10-15T00:31:17.699-07:00Comments on Umer Toor Blog 2: Self-serving Blog: An Old Debate: Islamic & Western ImperialismM Umer Toorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16945276129564758593noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3413566938078526403.post-6893855686317472642012-11-23T23:16:20.138-08:002012-11-23T23:16:20.138-08:00 That was a very profound comment. Esp the argumen... That was a very profound comment. Esp the argument that convinced you. Certainly it was the central idea that need to have been presented. And all explanations should be expounding that God-view and world-views, as Seyyed Hossein Nasr stresses so often on.M Umer Toorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16945276129564758593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3413566938078526403.post-66087691860529900872012-11-23T02:08:46.459-08:002012-11-23T02:08:46.459-08:00Phew! Read through this long post and frankly, Ume...Phew! Read through this long post and frankly, Umer, I feel you just cannot convince people through arguments. No matter what argument you bring in response, they would simply refuse to believe. It depends from person to person. You see when I was reading up on postcolonialism a couple of years back, I asked my teacher a similar question: what is the point of departure between the two kinds of "imperialism". I was satisfied when I was told that (early) Muslims did not conquer lands because it was something THEY wanted to do, but it was just that they wanted people to break the shackles of subservience to man, and submit to the Almighty. This was the sole inspiration that guided them (a point Ali Miyan also makes in his 'Islami duniya pe Musalmaano ke urooj o zawaal ka asar'). Now, for a person like me this explanation was enough. But for the person in question here, I don't think such an explanation based on the abstract idea of eemaan (for me there is nothing more concrete than that!) won't suffice. I am not very well-versed in history so as to be able to 'respond' to this post, but I just felt like writing this comment. I would personally prefer praying for this person's hidaaya and correction of belief. But I would love to read more from this friend of yours because he indeed seems like an "ilmi" person in the true sense of the word. I really appreciate his intention to revisit the Muslim history from a scared point of view and not simply for the sake of accumulating info in one's head so that one is able to argue well! May Allah put barakah in his knowledge.Naeema Akram-Jehanzebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15156278604269916705noreply@blogger.com